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July 29th, 2010


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02:10 am - Who the heck votes for these people?
At its state convention in Des Moines last month, the Iowa GOP adopted a new party platform that includes the repeal of mandatory minimum wage laws, the elimination of the U.S. Department of Education...
There's plenty more crazy where that came from, including a proposal to change the Constitution so that anyone who won the Noble Peace Prize (such as President Obama) would be stripped of citizenship, but there's really no need to go on - there's more than enough crazy in the first two ideas. Other than wealthy CEOs with dreams of being 19th century robber-barons who exactly is crazy enough to think that repealing the minimum wage is a good idea? The Republican party would be a bizarrely amusing joke if it wasn't for the fact that their candidates are regularly elected.
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From:china_shop
Date:July 29th, 2010 10:50 am (UTC)
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Wow. Perhaps an international body should give them a prize for crazy, and then they could all lose their citizenship...
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From:kitten_goddess
Date:July 29th, 2010 11:55 am (UTC)
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Could we give PETA the crazy prize, too, and send them to Wasilla?
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From:chiashurb
Date:July 29th, 2010 12:11 pm (UTC)

Not to defend, but perhaps to explain:

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The theory behind opposing the minimum wage is that we can employ more people at $6 per hour than we can at $7.50, and unemployment is bad. Furthermore, freedom of contract, yo. These conservatves truly believe (because they are loony) that workers and employers bargain at arm's length and that the price of labor is basically set by good old fashioned bargaining and supply and demand. One shouldn't monkey with the market.

As for abolishing ED, they think it's unconstitutional. They think Congress has no power to regulate-by-funding what the Constitution does not allow it to regulate-by-fiat. They believe that even if that is constitutional, it's bad and an infringement on states' rights. Yes it's just a condition of getting money, but that's money that Uncle Sam took from the states in the first place. Iowa republicans bristle at this in particular because Iowa has really good schools and they don't want Uncle Sam telling them what to do.

The Nobel Peace Prize thing--that's just crazy talk.
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From:heron61
Date:July 29th, 2010 07:25 pm (UTC)

Re: Not to defend, but perhaps to explain:

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Wrt minimum wage, the (lack of) logic behind the idea is clear, what baffles me is that a great many working class people vote for these loons despite party platforms like this. I simply don't understand why someone making $8 or $9 dollars an hour would even consider voting for someone who is against the minimum wage.
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From:chiashurb
Date:July 29th, 2010 07:39 pm (UTC)

Re: Not to defend, but perhaps to explain:

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It's clear to you.

Not everybody agrees.

A person who makes $8 or $9 per hour might not support the minimum wage because:
1) They make more than the minimum wage already, and thus believe that it does not directly impact their wages.

2) They believe that the minimum wage causes inflation and devalues their savings

3) They are teetering on the brink of unemployment as their company struggles and think that it would be better to keep their jobs at a lower wage than to be paid less.
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From:alephnul
Date:July 30th, 2010 08:11 am (UTC)

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I had a supervisor at the pizza place I worked at back in the 90s who was a radical leftist who opposed the increase in the minimum wage that we passed back then, because he believed that increasing the minimum wage would drive us out of business (it didn't, although the place did go under several years later, but I put that down to shoddy management plus who knows what, I'd been gone for several years when it went under). He supported rent control and universal minimum income instead of minimum wages (admittedly, the Iowa republicans don't support either of those things either).

In the real world I support minimum wage laws, but I do think I'd trade them for a $10 k per person universal minimum income. A full time federal minimum wage job only pays $11k, so someone could negotiate a wage of only 50 cents and hour and make the same wage, but I doubt they would, since they could stop working altogether and still get the $10k. In Oregon, you'd only have to negotiate a $3 an hour wage to break even with the current $8/hr minimum wage.

Britain actually has no minimum wage and it has surprisingly little effect one way or the other, as far as I know (except that the hideously low wages paid to migrant farm workers are legal instead of being illegal). Probably the influence of a not incredibly inadequate social safety net (I guess we'll find out, now that the Lib Dems decided that it was time to screw the poor).
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From:heron61
Date:July 30th, 2010 07:23 pm (UTC)

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If the choice was between a guaranteed minimum income and a minimum wage, I'd also vastly prefer the first, but I don't see that happening here until it's been in use by much of Western Europe for at least a decade (and likely well more than that).
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From:athenian_abroad
Date:July 29th, 2010 03:06 pm (UTC)
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A slightly different take on the Department of Education: I think the DE is a hate object because it was created by Jimmy Carter. Prior to 1979, national education policy was a responsibility of the Department of Health, Education and Welfare (HEW). In 1979, President Carter signed the Department of Education Organization Act, which gave ED full cabinet rank and re-titled HEW as the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). It was a Republican hate object from day one.

If you talk to Republicans, it quickly becomes clear that few of them have the foggiest idea what the Department of Education actually does. And if you ask why a Republican President and Congress created the largest single federal intervention in K-12 education policy in American history (No Child Left Behind), to be administered, of course, by the malevolent jack-booted thugs of the hated Department of Education, they become slightly disoriented. Possibly they were tricked by Ted Kennedy or something.
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From:chiashurb
Date:July 29th, 2010 07:49 pm (UTC)
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Interesting! I mostly talk to republican lawyers, who tend to make constitutional arguments. I wasn't aware of the history you recount.

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