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December 8th, 2006


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11:01 am - Biofeedback advice requested
I'm thinking of getting into biofeedback, something I've considered at various times. A quick examination of the available products reveals that the various EEG-related (alpha wave etc...) biofeedback machines remain prohibitively expensive. Galvanic skin response and heart-rate monitoring seem like an ideal combo to me, so I look on Amazon, and the low-priced system that does both (and also the cheapest system that does heart-rate monitoring) is the rather eccentric video game (if it can be called that) The Journey to Wild Divine.

I'm specifically asking now, because I'm planning to ask my rather wealthy parents for this or something similar, and a single unit that costs less than $300 would be ideal. I might also practice with finger temperature monitors, but those are quite inexpensive and can be picked by me later. Has anyone reading this either experimented with biofeedback or played this game? Would it be a good choice for serious biofeedback training? Do you have any other recommendations?
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From:veleda
Date:December 8th, 2006 07:43 pm (UTC)
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you could build your eeg.

checkout opensource eeg on the net.
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From:heron61
Date:December 8th, 2006 07:49 pm (UTC)
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Very nifty, but also rather more ambitious for someone like myself whose knowledge of assembling electronics beyond hooking up a playstation or DVD player to my TV. Definitely something to consider though, thanks.
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From:slothman
Date:December 8th, 2006 07:52 pm (UTC)
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I’ve been curious about that one myself. My wife has had success with the StressEraser in combating her stress-induced migraines.
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From:heron61
Date:December 8th, 2006 08:02 pm (UTC)
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Interesting, but I think I'd prefer a GSR heart-rate combo and this looks to be solely a heartrate monitor.
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From:slothman
Date:December 8th, 2006 08:28 pm (UTC)
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Yeah, it’s single-purpose: just biofeedback-assisted meditation. The Journey to Wild Divine looks much more interesting.
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From:kalwein
Date:December 8th, 2006 08:10 pm (UTC)
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Oddly enough (or perhaps not), this has been something I have researched on and off for years. I've always wanted my own EEG system for performing analysis of myself during my various lucid dreaming states and some associated psi tinged events.

I actually participated in some interesting experiments in my local university sleep lab related to this. The rather uninformed folks there calmly explained that I could not produce theta or delta waves on demand, while awake. He was rather upset when I did. I think they threw my results out of their study, but paid me anyway...

For a while it seemed that ebay was the best venue for ordering such equipment, as equipment that used to cost hundreds of thousands of dollars is periodically dumped for under $500. They started requiring medical paperwork a few years ago, though that seems to get skirted alot. This trend towards requiring a medical license is very annoying. It's getting so you can't even buy a decent scalpel anymore... even for artistic use!

This faq has some info you might find useful...(scroll down to the manufacturer price notes section)

http://www.eff.org/Net_culture/Consciousness/mind_machine.faq

If you own a laptop, I distinctly remember that there is software that will run on it using something like a basic USB interface. The price point I remember is something like $700. I'll try to find my notes. The neat thing about the software is that it had the capability to log and save extended sessions worth of data on multiple channels. Very nice for contrasting brain wave patterns over time.
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From:rjgrady
Date:December 8th, 2006 08:47 pm (UTC)
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Sorry, my biofb experience is limited to skiing the Alps. :)

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From:lyssabard
Date:December 8th, 2006 09:23 pm (UTC)
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If you get that game, I will so be at your house. :) If that helps, er, as a bribe. :)
From:5eh
Date:December 9th, 2006 01:53 am (UTC)
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Will you keep us updated on your progress? BF has been something I've been thinking about getting into with plexq, as we both have serious anxiety issues.
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From:jaime88
Date:December 9th, 2006 02:10 am (UTC)
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Biofeedback can take many forms. Simplest are just:
1. observe the breath, but don't modify it - that's the tricky part
2. observe the pulse rate, then modify it. All it takes is a watch or clock with a second hand.
or here's another trick
3. observe blood pressure, and then try different things to raise or lower it.

Galvanic, EEG etc is cool but hey yogis and qi gong masters have been doing this stuff since long before the fancy gadgets came along. Dont get me wrong I can easily be as much or more of a gadget-o-holic as the next person. My point is that if you want to learn to control your bodies sub-conscious physiology all you need is something to bring those responses up to a conscious level.

enjoy
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From:jaime88
Date:December 9th, 2006 02:11 am (UTC)
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oops, sorry for the random comment. I thought I was posting to someone else. I hope the info is useful for you all the same.

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