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October 19th, 2008


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06:02 pm - Oregon state ballot measure recommendations
Here's a list of the Oregon state Ballot measures

My suggestions – the easiest thing to do would be to vote no on all of the state ballot measures except for Measure 56, which gets rid of the completely idiotic law stating that tax measures that pass don't count if less than 50% of registered voters vote in the election. As for the various local bond measures, they all look worth voting for.

In more detail: Measures 54 & 55 are measures that I have no opinion on and don't much care about. As I just stated, 56 is a very good idea indeed, and Measure 65 demands some careful thought. Then there's a long list of deeply wretched measures:
  • Measure 57: Throwing non-violent criminals in prison for far longer during a severe economic recession, Supporters: right wing thugs, Recommendation: Hell no.
  • Measure 58: Try to eliminate bilingual education in Oregon schools Supporters: Racists, Recommendation: Hell no.
  • Measure 59: Allows ultra-right people to pay far less on their state taxes, while doing nothing for anyone who isn't ultra-right Supporters: Greedy ultra-rich people Recommendation: Hell no.
  • Measure 60: Get teachers teaching in low-income schools fired Supporters: Wingnuts who hate public education, especially for poor people, Recommendation: Hell no.
  • Measure 61: Mandatory sentences for non-violent criminals in prison for far longer during a severe economic recession Supporters: Right wing thugs, Recommendation: Hell no.
  • Measure 62: Mandate more money for law enforcement during a severe economic recession Supporters: Right wing thugs, Recommendation: Hell no.
  • Measure 63: Allows people to replace furnaces, plumbing, and electrical systems without permits, inspection, or licensing Supporters: Conservative libertarian lunatics who like the idea of houses burning down, Recommendation: Hell no.
  • Measure 64: The third attempt to pass a bill screwing over public employees (the last two also failed). Supporters: Ultra-conservatives who would prefer public employees to have no voice in politics. Recommendation: Hell no.

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From:slothman
Date:October 20th, 2008 02:57 am (UTC)
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With all the effort I put into obsessively detailed election research posts, I find the succinctness and bluntness of this one very amusing.
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From:heron61
Date:October 20th, 2008 03:54 am (UTC)
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Thanks (I think :)

It's easy to get that way in Oregon, since more than half of the bad measures on this ballot are sponsored by one person - Bill Sizemore (a far right fraudster, who will hopefully end up in jail the next time he screws up). Oregon's initiative system and particularly the ease with which constitutional amendments can be passed via initiative (a process as easy as passing an ordinary law) has convinced me that for anything other than bond measures, ballot initiatives do more harm than good. We've had three excellent ones pass in the 14 years I've lived in Oregon - one banning most of the more egregious forms of cougar hunting, one raising the minimum wage to near acceptable levels, and one eliminating the ability for the police to seize and keep property w/o a felony conviction. However, in that same time there have been a host of horrible ones passed. At this point, I trust the initiative process significantly less than I trust ordinary legislative government. I used to think that direct democracy would be a good idea, now I am utterly certain that it wouldn't be.
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From:slothman
Date:October 20th, 2008 04:02 am (UTC)
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Yeah, here in California we have a lot of idiotic statewise propositions as well. This year, we have T. Boone Pickens trying to exploit green sentiment to give his industries a sinecure (prop 10), Mormons sending in money from Utah to try to ban gay marriage (prop 8), and an Arizona billionaire trying to screw up green energy markets (prop 7).
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From:heron61
Date:October 20th, 2008 04:12 am (UTC)
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Up here, the obviously horrible ones outnumber the good ones by at least 5 to 1, is that also true down in CA?
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From:slothman
Date:October 20th, 2008 04:16 am (UTC)
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This is an unusually good year and only half the propositions are horrible.
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From:heron61
Date:October 20th, 2008 04:15 am (UTC)
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I just looked at 7 & 10 (8 is obviously horrid). 10 looks pretty bad, but I'm far less certain about 7 - it looks at least potentially good. What's wrong with it?
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From:slothman
Date:October 20th, 2008 04:19 am (UTC)
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It’s more subtle, but it screws up the energy markets in a way that will stifle the innovation we need. The Union of Concerned Scientists has details.
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From:athenian_abroad
Date:October 20th, 2008 05:35 am (UTC)
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Hah! Love it!

So...we should vote against the thugs? ;-)
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From:xi_o_teaz
Date:October 20th, 2008 06:03 am (UTC)
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I haven't read the ballots yet, as I'm still waiting for my ballot (have you received yours, yet?). As always, I appreciate your opinions, which I will definitely consider.

Agape!
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From:xi_o_teaz
Date:October 20th, 2008 06:04 am (UTC)
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that didn't quite make sense... too many "ballots", but you know what I'm sayin' ;-)
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From:heron61
Date:October 20th, 2008 06:12 am (UTC)
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*nods* and yes, mine arrived on Friday. I'd expect most of them to arrive by Tuesday at the latest.
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From:alephnul
Date:October 20th, 2008 06:19 am (UTC)
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I'm struggling over 57. It is more complicated than you describe.

57 is supported by the (Democrat controlled) legislature, which introduced it after early polling showed that Kevin Mannix's evil measure 61 was almost certainly undefeatable. 57 is a horrid "tough on crime" measure that is much much less bad than 61, and whichever of the two measures passes by the most goes into effect.

61 will pass, so not having a grotesque "tough on crime" bill pass is not in the cards, so we are left with the choice of which piece of shit we are forced to eat. And 57 is less bad.

On the other hand, I really don't want to vote for a horrid "tough on crime" bill of any sort.
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From:heron61
Date:October 20th, 2008 06:41 am (UTC)
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That's a deeply unpleasant choice - ewww. That's aid, I'll likely vote for 57 soley to help stop 61.
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From:alephnul
Date:October 20th, 2008 06:28 am (UTC)
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Oh, also, 65 has lots of bad effects, and few good effects.

It would shut down third party access to the general election ballot (since third party candidates are unlikely to be either of the top two candidates in the cattle call primary).

It produces perverse effects in the election. Whichever political wing fields the least candidates has the greatest chance of making it to the general election (if the right fields one candidate, the center right fields one candidate, and the left fields four candidates, then we probably get a general election between the right and the center-right). This perverse effect leads to the parties having a strong incentive to weed out candidates through back room pressure, so we get even less choice between viable candidates in the primaries than we have now, and even less choice between non-viable candidates in the general election.

The only supposed advantage of measure 65 that I can think of is that it strengthens centrist candidates who could draw from the center-right and the center-left but, currently, the Democrats reliably chose from the center-left, and the Republicans choose from the far-right, and then lose to the Dems, so this measure would make it more likely that center-right Republicans, who can't win in a Republican primary, would make it to the general election and win. That doesn't sound like a benefit to me.
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From:heron61
Date:October 20th, 2008 06:43 am (UTC)
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The only supposed advantage of measure 65 that I can think of is that it strengthens centrist candidates who could draw from the center-right and the center-left but, currently, the Democrats reliably chose from the center-left, and the Republicans choose from the far-right, and then lose to the Dems, so this measure would make it more likely that center-right Republicans, who can't win in a Republican primary, would make it to the general election and win. That doesn't sound like a benefit to me.

That right there is more than sufficient reason for me to vote against it. I like the way you think.

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