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December 3rd, 2009


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03:05 am - Good News From Conservatives
Several years ago, I encountered the conservative web-site, Little Green Footballs – while not quite as insane as many, it was filled with a vast amount of pro-Iraq War nonsense and other conservative ideas that I loathe. For the first time ever, I’m honestly pleased with what I read on that site Why I Parted Ways With The Right, where the writer of the blog correctly identifies the core of the modern right-wing and thus of the Republican party as a bunch of bigoted, misogynist religious zealots that are united largely by hatred and fear. Thus, he wants no part of this crazed vileness. Interestingly, most of the comments by other (presumably also non-insane) conservatives completely agree with him.

There’s absolutely no question that I strongly disagree with old-style “Goldwater conservatives” about all manner of social and economic policies and that I’d be happy if people supporting those ideas never won an election. However, I don’t think they are insane and I don’t fear for the nation when they win in nearly the same way as when scary people like Reagan, Bush I, or Shrub win. These conservatives are at least not people who set themselves up in opposition to the “reality-based community”.

In any case, I’m also very pleased because what we are seeing is the continuing self-destruction of the Republican Party. The hate-filled zealots are driving out anyone that the likes of Glen Beck or Rush Limbaugh considers to be ideologically impure, and in return, at least some of the remaining sane conservatives are leaving on their own before they are driven out. This bodes very well indeed for the 2010 & 2012 election, and perhaps equally well for the 2016 election. After that point, I’m guessing that the plutocrats backing the Republican Party, who are not crazed hate-filled zealots, but merely the sort of greed-heads who have traditionally supported that party will begin seriously working to end the party’s rule by crazed ideologues and a few years after that, we will presumably have a party that I don’t like, but which I also do not recoil from in abject and disbelieving horror.
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From:athenian_abroad
Date:December 3rd, 2009 05:54 pm (UTC)
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I have to chuckle at the born-again not-movement-conservatives. Did they really just notice the racism? Or the homophobia? Or the jaw-dropping fiscal irresponsibility? Or the embrace of creationism and the denial of science, reality, et al? Or the support of Operation Rescue, the Moral Majority and (later) the Christian Coalition? Or the troubling fondness for the excesses of the national security state? (To see the historical consistency of the latter, observe that "Islamic fundamentalism" is "Communism" spelled backwards.) Since approximately zero of these things are new, I have to wonder what's actually motivating these "conversions."

Not that I believe in the "conversions." I expect that, after their self-congratulatory rants ("Behold: I am morally superior to Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin!"), they'll hold their noses and vote for Republicans. Because a Democrat might raise their taxes or strengthen unions or have ill-advised sex or something. There's always something.
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From:heron61
Date:December 3rd, 2009 07:29 pm (UTC)
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I have to chuckle at the born-again not-movement-conservatives. Did they really just notice the racism? Or the homophobia? Or the jaw-dropping fiscal irresponsibility? Or the embrace of creationism and the denial of science, reality, et al?

Indeed

I expect that, after their self-congratulatory rants ("Behold: I am morally superior to Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin!"), they'll hold their noses and vote for Republicans.

I'm not so certain, there are various useless 3rd parties to vote for. Also, if people are presented with two choices that are both unpleasant, they tend to not bother voting.

Also, I just noticed a number of wingnut responses to the LGF post and similar ones elsewhere, filled with exactly the sort of insane hatred that Dierdre Scozzafava faced, which is likely to do a wonderful job of keeping such people from voting Republican.

Edited at 2009-12-03 07:54 pm (UTC)
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From:athenian_abroad
Date:December 3rd, 2009 08:38 pm (UTC)
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Also, I just noticed a number of wingnut responses to the LGF post and similar ones elsewhere, filled with exactly the sort of insane hatred that Dierdre Scozzafava faced, which is likely to do a wonderful job of keeping such people from voting Republican.

Yes, that's a good point. If the right gets sufficiently nasty and personal in this way, the "converts" may wind up hating them even more than they hate the teachers' unions. If such a thing is imaginable.
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From:rhiannasilel
Date:December 3rd, 2009 05:55 pm (UTC)
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It still amazes me how political parties can change so dramatically over time. 50 years ago Southern Democrats were voting to keep segregation in schools and against Civil Rights legislation. Abraham Lincoln was a Republican and there was no way any good self respecting southerner would ever consider voting for a member of Lincoln's party.

I'm with you, I don't like the politics of greed, either, but I can respect someone who is fiscally conservative for their own reasons. It's when they start going off about god telling them how to vote and that big government is bad that I start having a big, big problem. Why aren't they in mental hospitals for hearing voices instead of Congress?
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From:kitten_goddess
Date:December 5th, 2009 01:44 am (UTC)
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"Why aren't they in mental hospitals for hearing voices instead of Congress?"

Because hearing the voice of Yahweh is part of their religion, which is protected by the First Amendment.
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From:athenian_abroad
Date:December 5th, 2009 03:39 am (UTC)
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Why aren't they in mental hospitals for hearing voices instead of Congress?

Because everyone assumes that they're lying. If anyone believed them, they'd be committed.
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From:xuenay
Date:December 4th, 2009 08:45 pm (UTC)
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The only thing that worries me in this is that, with the US effectively being a two-party system, people leaving the Republicans might only lead to them joining the Democrats and making the Dems more conservative.
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From:rjgrady
Date:December 14th, 2009 01:23 am (UTC)
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I'm still hoping that a large portion of the Republican party will split formally and join the Constitution Party and similar wingnut organizations and try to run as a serious third party. Then the remainder of the Republican party will survive and thrive and will become, if not a party I am likely to join, one that will provide me with the occasional opportunity to vote on issues or vote against a completely corrupt Democrat. It would also, of course, be nice if I suddenly came into a large sum of money I didn't earn, and which did not come at the expense of someone I care about.

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