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May 18th, 2010


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03:04 am - Hopeful demographics.
Forget sex, drugs and rock ’n’ roll; immigration is a new generational fault line.

In the wake of the new Arizona law allowing the police to detain people they suspect of entering the country illegally, young people are largely displaying vehement opposition — leading protests on Monday at Senator John McCain’s offices in Tucson, and at the game here between the Florida Marlins and the Arizona Diamondbacks.

Meanwhile, baby boomers, despite a youth of “live and let live,” are siding with older Americans and supporting the Arizona law.
As with GLBT rights and many other issues, attitudes are changing. I'm expecting a mixture of the slowly decreasing number of white people in the US, combined with changing attitudes among younger people of all ethnicities to cause the Republican party to collapse in no more than 15 years as the "angry white folks" demographic dies off. However, they're not gone yet, and we need to limit the damage they can do in the meantime.
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From:kitten_goddess
Date:May 18th, 2010 10:06 am (UTC)
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Oddly enough, I was unwittingly a part of the "angry white folks" demographic during my Dominionist phase as a teenager.
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From:alobar
Date:May 18th, 2010 10:50 am (UTC)
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Many people get conservative as they age. Bad diet ossifies the brain to new ways of thinking. People have more and more of a stake in the status quo as they age. And people tend to stop taking mind altering drugs as they age. But they take more and more prescription meds which fog the brain.
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From:kiarrith
Date:May 18th, 2010 11:45 am (UTC)

i truly hope OP is right, however

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this is part of my concern as well--
i know not everyone will revert to their hateful parents's ways, but i do fear enough will that with a bit of effort they could swing a majority or at least huge minority...as has been stated many times the same hippies who truly believed and loved and lived freely and as openly as they knew how in their youth are now a large part of the problem [imo, naturally].
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From:alobar
Date:May 18th, 2010 11:52 am (UTC)

Re: i truly hope OP is right, however

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I take vitamins & supplements. I don't smoke, get drunk, dose myself daily with caffeine, get a good night's sleep most every night, or use prescription drugs. I take supplements specifically to augment my thinking/memory. I seem to be doing a pretty good job. I am not as angry as I was back in the 1970s, more clear-headed, and still working for social change.
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From:heron61
Date:May 18th, 2010 08:30 pm (UTC)

Re: i truly hope OP is right, however

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In 1970 only a tiny percentage of the population supported making pot legal, now almost half of the population does - because in the 1940s and 50s, pot existed on the far fringe, then in the 70s the hippies made it slightly more mainstream and people have continued this effort with medical marijuana laws and suchlike. Norms change - slowly, but they change.
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From:heron61
Date:May 18th, 2010 07:55 pm (UTC)
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Yes, and a major sign of this ossification is that the conditions of their childhood seem normal. After the 1920s, but prior to the Immigration Act of 1965, US immigration was both very low and regulated by hideous laws designed to keep out non-white people. People who grew up in the 40s 50s, and 60s grew up in an era with exceptionally low immigration and so regard that as normal. Immigration is far higher today and has been far higher for the last 30 years. So, when people now in their 20s get older, they'll remember a very different world.
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From:alobar
Date:May 18th, 2010 09:13 pm (UTC)
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In my neighborhood, after WW-II there were a lot of Italians who moved in who tended to upset the German- Americans who already lived there.

When my Dad was young, in the early years of the 20th century, there was prejudice against the Polish-Americans in the neighborhood he grew up in.

My mother's mother warned my mother about marrying a Polak because they beat their wives. My mother married my Dad anyway.

People have been fearing "those people" since the beginning of time.
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From:mindstalk
Date:May 18th, 2010 09:37 pm (UTC)
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Many people get conservative as they age.

Perhaps; OTOH, most of the people I know who've changed have gotten more liberal as they enter middle age. (Libertarian to social democrat.)

It's easy to confuse "older people are more conservative" with "people become more conservative with age" when society overall is becoming less conservative. Older people could be conservative just because they grew up in more conservative times.
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From:alobar
Date:May 18th, 2010 09:47 pm (UTC)
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What makes you think society overall is becoming less conservative? I see the exact opposite.
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From:xuenay
Date:May 18th, 2010 10:37 pm (UTC)
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most of the people I know who've changed have gotten more liberal as they enter middle age. (Libertarian to social democrat.)

From someone who's used to the European use of "liberal" (ie. against rules and regulation), seeing someone describe a shift from a stance of minimal regulation to higher regulation as "becoming more liberal" is completely bizarre. :)

(Not saying your usage is wrong, of course. Just found this amusing.)
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From:nancylebov
Date:May 18th, 2010 11:16 am (UTC)
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I'm 57. I favor open borders. What am I doing wrong?

Don't expect the older demographic to die off as fast as you're hoping-- life spans have been going up.
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From:alobar
Date:May 18th, 2010 11:54 am (UTC)
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When life spans go up thru prescription drugs, the side effects may people not able to think clearly. When one lives long thru healthy lifestyle, mind remains both cogent and flexible.
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From:nancylebov
Date:May 18th, 2010 05:04 pm (UTC)
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I think there are plenty of boomers on each of those routes.

Carefully chosen prescription drugs can lead to more mental clarity, not less.

I don't know enough people to have a feeling for the proportions between mentally healthy aging and brainfog because of drugs or for other reasons.
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From:xtricks
Date:May 18th, 2010 03:53 pm (UTC)
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Possibly, possibly not. As mentioned, people get more conservative as they age, they also get more conservative (or, reactionary, really) when they are frightened. Between the new economic reality and huge social changes a lot of people are afraid and our culture generally encourages this.

Changes to the 'foundation' of people's sense of society and self are the ones most difficult to face and things like increased gay visiblity, increased PoC visiblity and so on are things that strongly effect that foundation.

It's important to remember that as the demographic changes to other cultures, that will also affect the social mores -- see Prop 8 in California which passed in part due to the particular cultural issues of Hispanic/Latina people who were an increased voting block there.
From:5eh
Date:May 18th, 2010 04:41 pm (UTC)
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When a majority of the immigrant population comes from Latin America, I can only see the ultra-conservatives getting larger and scarier.

I hope I am wrong.

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